Episode 18 - Chicken and Fries, 2 APIs: Defrag Wrap-up pt 2



  •  Speaker highlights
  • Jon Wilbanks from Sage Bionetworks
    • Limits of data now, how to push beyond. One of only speakers working for nonprofit instead of for-profit company
    • Most companies say that they have a mission towards betterness of humanity, but the bottom line is $$
    • Can we see more speakers at a conference that don’t work for company or at least don’t talk about their industry and company?
  • Furcon for silicon
  • Stepford Wives potential
    • Using a new service, they have figured out how to hack our system and making decisions on my behalf
  • Health insurance fiasco
  • Systems playing tricks on us
  • IT 101 -- allow customer to define process or force them to use your process?
  • Opinionated infrastructure
  • Chris’s elderly diabetic neighbor manages more cloud services effectively than most companies that he meets
  • Chicken and Fries, 2 APIs
  • Lorena’s spirit animal is a barn owl
  • Chris’s new job at Frankfurter Nighttime
    • Opinionated infrastructure built around those with sub-10 Klout scores choosing your lingerie
  • Klint at Stoned Brick
    • You get to get high while your device get's un-bricked
  • Alex at Pinnochio applesauce
    • ”We nose into your affairs!”
  • Lorena at Teeth-Koala Bear
    • Sensors for halitosis


prophesy: to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge


  • SXSW  - March 7-16, 2014 Austin, TX (POSSIBLY SEE KLINT AND CHRIS PRESENT) 
  • Cyborg Camp - MIT Media Lab - August 2014 - Boston, MA
  • Buddhist Geeks Conference - October 16-19 2014; Boulder, CO




Welcome to Mindful Cyborgs, Episode 18, part 2 of the Defrag conference wrap up. In this episode we’ll start off discussing some of the speaker highlights from the conference.

CD: Speakers, obviously, you mentioned bigger themes. Were there any speakers or?

KF: John Wilbanks from Sage BioNetworks I thought was really interesting. He talked a lot about the limits of what we can do with some of the data we have now. How to push beyond some of those things but also to go back to what you were talking about. He was one of the most interesting speakers and he was one of the only ones I think who works for a non-profit instead of for a for profit company and it makes me wonder when you talk about that goal how every company . . . maybe not every company but most companies at least try to say that they have some mission to improve humanity or whatever but for the most part we know that it isn’t true and most companies say that.

Yeah, I’m sure there’s companies that we think oh yeah this company is really . . .

CD: [00:01:33] to the shareholder – I don’t care how good you want to be. You’re making me money.

KF: That company really has a real mission but most of us are pretty disillusioned as to what the point of most companies really are and something I would like to see more of it at tech conferences or speakers who don’t necessarily work for a company or at least are not talking about their industry or you’re they’re company. There just was a big lack of skepticism I think at this conference and every other. I mean, this conference was any worse than any other. I don’t want to be picking on Defrag for that but there is . . . everyone kind of comes up and say okay, APIs, robots, cloud . . .

CD: Drones, cloud computing, variables. It’s FurCon for Silicon.

AW: I thought Ray Wang was encouraging in that respect. He questioned the audience and asked if privacy is dead, a lot of people raised their hands. He made the point that the form of really anonymity in terms of the way we barter and the way we do commerce is cash, right? That’s the last form of anonymity. We need to establish that anonymity capability in this new online world. That’s what concerns me the most and I think what’s interesting is that we’re not skeptical enough about how we’re actually progressing forward and if we don’t have that encryption of some kind then I’m sure you’ve imagined kind of the possible scenarios, right?

I mean, there’s potential here will let you know suddenly I’m like I’m using some new service that I haven’t done before but they have like figured out how to like hack my own system so now they’re like making decisions on my behalf and I’m kind of sitting there. I don’t know what to do because I’m being directed to do this thing and that’s kind of far out but -

CD: Not really.

AW: - if there’s no privacy whatsoever it makes that a lot easier and if encryption is outlawed that makes it even worse.

CD: Yeah, I do imagine in 3 years. I’ll just say November 2016 there will be multiple news stories about API bullying, program stalking not by some malicious something but just by systems connected gone wrong.

AW: We’re starting to see it already. The Healthcare.com is a perfect example of that.

LB: Right.

CD: We’re still dealing with single siloed systems. I’m just saying as we connect these systems up at a very intimate level . . .

AW: I think is a good example of why online systems and physical systems are trying to work together and they’re just not working. So, for instance, I heard a story today about the Spanish daughters going through the process of getting health insurance and went through the exchange for her state or whatever. Actually, she had to go through the feds and she finally had to call the call center because she couldn’t get through online and they said well, you have to go through the process and get rejected for Medicare and then take that code and put it into the system over here.

So, she went through the process, she got rejected by Medicare. She got the code saying she was rejected by Medicare and she put it into other online system and they said they rejected her. They said your code’s not working. I think that’s what gets to this whole problem that we have. It’s like these systems are going to play tricks on us and you’re going to have a sense of helplessness.

CD: Well, it goes back to like base IT 101, right, service management 101. I never would say that on Mindful Cyborgs but it’s for my core competency. It’s about do you . . . your consumers and your customers when they contact you for help or query do you put them through your process or do allow them to define their own? And most of the people you interact with allow you to . . . I allow Alex to give me Alex’s process. I don’t force you to my version of that process.

You’ll notice you gravitate toward tech where you create the process. You’re the key driver in that business of process management. I think when you start talking about connecting these systems, it’s really about the systems where you drive that or systems where you’re like I have to do it this way. What you just described was her having to do their process. That’s not her process.

KF: Yeah. There’s like a whole school of tech that thinks the opposite is the best way to go. There are opinionated infrastructure is better . . .

CD: I love the name.

KF: Because people don’t want to come up with their own process. They don’t want to decide how to do something. They just want to be able to go to something and do a thing and not have to . . .

LB: I think there’s room for both. To be honest, we in this industry can get a little insular. We sort of have a level of acceptance about technology and about infrastructure that 90% of the population doesn’t have. They don’t have the understanding of how do I design my own process.

CD: I want to interject. I have a neighbor who’s diabetic. She’s 65, African American. Very, very heavy I mean, probably 400, 500 pounds and she needed help a month or so ago and I went over and her internet, her router or something had got jacked up and I just reset it and I was talking to her for a minute and she was telling she didn’t get to Spotify for like 2 hours and her Netflix thing was down and she was describing all these things that she needed the router for and it dawned on me that my 500 pound diabetic neighbor who’s 65 manages more cloud services effectively than most of the organizations I meet.

AW: She’s networked.

CD: Someone said to chief integration officer - We don’t have WAN. They’re everywhere and I think that’s a skill, right? I just said to you earlier, Klint, you’re in IT system, right?

KF: IT department, yeah.

CD: You’re an IT department of Klint. So, the whole IT department there and how do you deal with that but we should put my neighbor in charge of Healthcare.gov.

LB: We should.

AW: She would probably improve it.

LB: Yeah, she could probably design a better, more useable interface.

CD: Final thoughts?

KF: We’re all doomed.

CD: We’re all doomed? Final thoughts? Spirit cheetah.

AW: Yeah, I was going to bring it back to spirit animals. I think that if we can just all realize that we are spirit animals, it’s all going to be all right.

CD: Thank you, cheetah.

AW: Chicken and fries to APIs.

CD: Chicken and fries to APIs. That’s the next show we’re going to create chicken and fries to APIs. We didn’t get your spirit animal.

LB: Yeah, I’ve been considering that while we’ve been talking. I would say probably an owl. Particularly, a bard owl.

AW: Why a bard owl?

LB: Because they are out there and you don’t . . . how often do you see a bard owl? You don’t see them very often but you know they’re there. They have this incredible call that is very recognizable and everybody can hear and so you always know that they’re out there somewhere watching over your woods, watching over your territory but you never see them.

AW: Well, you just made yourself unforgettable, the bard owl.

LB: There you go. I finally figured out how to become unforgettable.

CD: We didn’t get one dupe in all of our spirit animals. I think there are Twitter tags we should have spirit animals.

KF: Spirit animal tags, yeah, name tag.

LB: That’s awesome.

CD: Your spirit animal that controls you.

AW: You know, a conference not called spirit animals but it’s for . . .

CD: For spirit animals. It’s not FurCon.

LB: And we should have separate tracks.

CD: What was the other one?

KF: Otherkin.

CD: Otherkin and FurCon have conferences where people are animals.

AW: We should have a conference called half bait.

CD: We’re going to end this show right now. We got the spider - we’re doomed, the cheetah was - what was your message as cheetah in closing?

AW: Chicken and fries to APIs.

CD: And bard owl did you have a closing message about bard owl?

LB: I think we’re far from doomed. I think we can great possibilities.

AW: Can we play a quick round of chicken and fries to APIs?

CD: Sure.

AW: I’ll come up with a word, you come up with a word then Chris is going to give the pitch, okay?

LB: Okay.

AW: Frankfurter.

LB: Night time.

CD: Frankfurter what?

LB: Night time.

AW: Frankfurter and night time.

CD: Hi, I am the founder and CEO of Frankfurter and Night Time. We specialize in applications that bridge the formal neurological pseudo market so that you can wear women’s lingerie like frankfurter while playing the types of music that you couldn’t play at night time at a certain decibel level. Our applications actually control the clothing selection and the music selection for you to be able to do that. So, chicken fries to APIs.

AW: Is it an opinionated infrastructure or did you find your own process?

CD: It’s an opinionated infrastructure built around cloud. Yeah, all of your lingerie is picked out by people with a count of 10 or below. The way that chicken fries APIs. I don’t think the game has a different name.

AW: Chicken fries.

CD: Yeah, chicken fries. So, you’re going to name a name and then I’m going to name a name and you’re going to pitch it. One word.

LB: Brick.

AW: Stoned.

KF: Hi, I’m the founder and CEO of stoned brick and what we offer our customers is repair service for bricked iPhones and iPads and so forth in multiple locations and mostly right now in Colorado and Washington because marijuana is legal there. So, we let everyone get high while we repair their devices.

CD: I want to buy. How can I invest right now?

LB: I cannot compete in this game. I’m outgunned.

CD: I’m going to do the first word, you do the second and Alex will pitch it. Pinocchio.

KF: Applesauce.

AW: Hi, I’m Alex Williams of Pinocchio Applesauce. Now, in Geppetto’s world he thought of Pinocchio as his son. Now, in the other worlds Pinocchio really is just someone with a big nose. What we do is we nose into your affairs. We don’t believe in encryption at all. We’re going to take everything you have and then you’re going to share with everyone else. Thank you.

CD: Yay! Pinocchio Applesauce. It’s like TechCrunch Disrupt for freaks.

LB: I’m more nervous now having to take a turn in this game than I was about doing keynote.

CD: First word.

KF: Teeth.

AW: Koala bear.

CD: We’ve got up next the founder of teeth koala bear.

LB: Hi, I’m Lorinda Brandon. I am the CTO and founder of teeth koala bear. We are actually an Australian based company that actually creates sensors for your teeth so that we can tell when you’re starting to get closer and closer to halitosis. If you’re out in public and you’re doing some kind of business meetings, you want to make sure that you’re keeping an eye on that. We can feed into your Google Glass, give you some warnings and we plan to expand beyond Australia and get into the USA very shortly.

CD: Yay! Teeth koala bear, teeth koala bear. All right. That’s chicken and fries to APIs on Mindful Cyborgs. I don’t even know what episode number we’re going to turn this into because we’ve got so much material. Thank you Alex Williams. It’s been a pleasure.

AW: Thank you very much, Chris.

CD: Thank you, Klint.

KF: Thanks.

CD: And we will catch everybody in 2 weeks.